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Thursday 19 June 2008, 10:21 PM

Microsoft admits ODF won

Posted by Andrew Donoghue

The normal deal with conferences is that most of the interesting stuff happens away from the main keynotes. Red Hat's annual user conference is no different. Today I was lucky enough to drop into a session titled, The OOXML battle: Who really won?

A couple of surprise followed. The first one was that Red Hat managed to convince a Microsoft spokesperson to step foot in its conference which is definitely enemy territory. Even if Microsoft has softened its stance towards open source, there are plenty of attendees at the show who most definitely have softened when it comes to their antipathy towards Redmond and everything it stands for.

The second and even more surprising event was that the Microsoft spokesperson in question, Microsoft national technology officer Stuart McKee, actually admitted that ODF had won out over OOXML or words to that effect.



"I have been involved in this battle, and it has been a battle for quite some time," he said. "ODF clearly won. You mentioned Microsoft implementing ODF and we made a commitment through translators to support ODF, but we have a ship cycle and our ability to implement ODF in the middle of our ship cycle was not possible and the idea of implementing it to a level where our customers could open and use a document easily – we couldn't do that in the middle of shipping Office 2007."

McKee continued:

"I think ODF is a winner – being a Microsoft product – whether people like it or not, there are hundreds of millions of users of that product and if you are there then you are clearly going to get some more visibility."

There is a lot more from this session that I need to digest – not least the accusation from the floor that Microsoft is simply pursuing its normal strategy when it comes to a product or company it opposes – namely, embrace, extend and extinguish? The questioner asked McKee to justify why Microsoft's apparent climb-down over ODF wasn't simply the embrace stage at play.

McKee danced around the issue to some degree, as might be expected, but eventually said this:

"The important thing to remember about Microsoft, and I am not looking for an apology or to make excuses, 30 years ago when Microsoft came onto the scene, people said to Bill and Paul, 'You are out of your mind for trying to sell software – there is no market for software'. The market today is based to some degree on that decision – although there are lots more companies involved now."

He continued:

"Embrace and extent, markets change and they shift. Are we in the process of Microsoft embracing? There are over a dozen formats natively supported in Office today -- there is going to be dozen plus one shortly because ODF is now part of that. RTF, Txt, PDF, - why isn't Adobe here?. If our intention was to extinguish it would take years and years and years. I can tell you that ODF is going to work as well as Ooxml – it will change and evolve. I think one of the biggest questions is will those two formats unify – I don't know. Extinguish I don't think is going to happen – we don't control it."

So does that mean if Microsoft did control ODF then it would extinguish it? There are a lot more interesting points raised in this session which I will try and pull out into a more lengthy article in the next few days.

Comments on this post

vladnik

Microsoft is finanlly coming to its senses. Good to see the FUD evaporate :)

Posted by vladnik on Jun 20, 2008 2:35 PM

Goldie Simmons

First off, you don't have to control the format specification or protocol in order to discourage people from using it, effectively extinguishing it. Certainly not when you've got greater than 90% market penetration on the application that renders the format. And hey, if you don't have such great market penetration, then simply bundle the application with your dominant desktop OS and give it away for free. Ask Netscape about that one.

Secondly, this isn't about Microsoft all the sudden waking up, smelling the roses, and playing nice. Much more likely that Microsoft management knows they were just a little to obvious with their criminal behavior and has inside knowledge that the EU is primed to stomp the ever-living daylight out of em. Not so much a monetary worry, after all whats another few hundred million with all the money spent so far on acquiring their own private "open standard"? But the facts unveiled in the EU's investigation should prove to be a public relation nightmare.

Damage control is in full motion, at the very minimum they need to appear to be bending over backwards to support the rest of the world's open format, ODF. Privately they can always break compatibility with others and try to extend it with proprietary DRM or something (pure speculation on my part). At any rate, the last thing they can afford is more oversight by the courts forcing them to compete on the merits of their product line.

Look for Microsoft's PR machine to push full bore for a merger of ODF and MS-OOXML, it this happens I don't think it's a win for ODF at all.

-- Goldie

"If voting in the standard-setting context is influenced less by the technical merits of the technology but rather by side agreements, inducements, package deals, reciprocal agreements or commercial pressure, then these risk falling foul of the competition rules," -- Neelie Kroes European Competition czar




Updated by Goldie Simmons on Jun 22, 2008 11:21 AM

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