Jamie's Random Musings
Various thoughts and adventures, including but not limited to Video IM, Linux, Windows XP and Widows Vista, and various bits of hardware new and old.
Thursday 20 November 2008, 8:59 AM
OS Scratch Load Times
I reload the operating systems on my laptops quite frequently. On the Linux side, it is because I am trying various distributions, while on the Windows side it is more often because something gets fouled up or stops working. Occasionally it is because I am changing to a new disk drive that is larger, faster, or both. This week I have been reloading Vista, and even though I have slogged through it many times, I am still amazed by what a long, tedious, painful procedure it is.
First, as a baseline for comparison, I can load pretty much any of the Linux distributions in less than 30 minutes, including picking up patches and basic configuration. It takes about another 30 minutes to load the extra software and utilities that I most commonly use, so I can go from a blank disk to a productive Linux system in about an hour.
Yesterday I decided to reload Vista on a different disk. I should actually have an advantage with Vista, because I have a Fujitsu "Recovery DVD" which simply recreates the original C: partition. But it's just not that easy. The initial recovery takes about 30 minutes; but then I have to run a Fujitsu-specific "Run Once" utility that sets up some of the devices and drivers, and that takes another 15 minutes. I've also learned the hard way that it is best not to have the system connected to the internet at that point, because the Vista update process will start, and it competes with the Fujitsu utility, slowing the whole process down a lot more.
Once the "Run Once" utility is done, I have to remove a couple of Fujitsu devices and drivers which block Vista SP1 from installing, then I can turn Windows Update loose on it. That requires at least a half-dozen update/reboot cycles the first of which takes a good hour to download and install updates, and the last of which finally installs Vista SP1. Well, not entirely the last, of course, because there are still a couple more stragglers after that.
After Windows Update is done, I install the latest drivers from Fujitsu, and a few other device-specific drivers (Intel and Realtek), and I'm finally done with the basic installation. Total time: at least four or five hours, and that is if I am sitting waiting, ready to start the next phase each time it completes something. Add to that the time it takes for configuration and basic software and utility loading, and it is really and all-day job just to load Vista from scratch.
Not too impressive, compared to an hour for Linux. Of course I could (and have) imaged the system once I have finished the basic load and configuration, before Windows gets a chance to start scribbling on it and corrupting itself too much. But even when I do that, after restoring the image I have to let it go through some number of Windows Update cycles, and I usually have to install whatever driver updates may have been released in the interim.
This problem is not unique to Vista, of course. The same is generally true with Windows XP. Depending on how recent your distribution or recovery media is, it can be just as bad or even worse. My S6510 XP Pro recovery DVD is XP SP2, so it only needs to pick up SP3 and a few miscellaneous patches; but the S2110 recovery is SP1, and it is a long, painful process to get it through SP2, then SP3. I've called Fujitsu support and asked for a newer recovery disk, but they say I am only "entitled" to exactly the version that the laptop was delivered with. That seems a bit odd to me - I mean, XP is XP, right? We're only talking about patch levels and user convenience here, after all. But they won't have any of it.
jw 20/11/2008
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Yes they sound like a bunch of meanies don't they? I would recommend you get your self a copy of n-lite (free) this will allow you to customise your own image of XP/vista etc such as slipstreaming servicepacks, hotfixes, and browsers. Another good piece of freeware is called drivermax. This one allows you to extract the drivers onto external media in their updated form.
What I don't need in this situation is to pile on even more PC/Windows software in hopes of solving an ugly situation created by Windows. Isn't the "correct" or "better" solution for Microsoft to come up with more efficient and reliable means of Windows distribution? It may be reasonable for you, and even me, to try to understand and deal with "slipstreaming service packs" and "extracting drivers", but how many average PC users can handle that?
Fair point...I've always seen windows as a kind of enthusiast system that "somehow" ended up in peoples homes and offices. I think Windows is starting to show signs of maturity, at least this is what I hope for windows 7.
With the amount of PCs being sold by the likes of PC world etc without even a recovery disk, I have found the n-lite solution superb as It allows me to carry around the ability to make an OS disk and driver disk from a USB key on any comuputer. All legal as the license should always be printed on a shop bought machine.
True it's not ideal for your average punter......but um...we'll get there I hope. Hell microsoft even asked me if I would like to update my firefox to a newer version when I opened up my windows live account, Not even a whiff of "shouldn't you be using IE instead".
Hi J.A. Watson,
Why not create an image of the drive with everything installed, SP3 and all your drivers as it is now and also have a hard-drive partition utility on the hard drive so it is created within the image?
That way;
1) Restore the image to the hard-drive.
2) Re-size the partition if you are setting up the image to a larger hard-drive.
Job done. :-)
Regards,
Dr Marten
The point of my posting was to illustrate how long a scratch load of the operating systems takes. It was not to search for or solicit recommendations about more optimized ways of performing the load. I am quite familiar with various ways of speeding up the load of both Windows and Linux. However:
- the average user is not likely to have the foresight to make an image of whatever operating system they are using. Therefore they, or whomever they ask to do this for them, is often going to have to start from scratch.
- After restoring Windows from an image, one still has to retrieve and install whatever updates, patches and security fixes have been issued since the image was made. Suddenly the situation changes from "Job done :-)" to "Oh my God, here we go again :(".
Thanks for reading and commenting.
jw 9/12/2008


