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Various thoughts and adventures, including but not limited to Linux, Windows XP and Widows Vista, and assorted bits of hardware new and old.

Sunday 25 January 2009, 8:41 AM

HP 2133 Mini-Note

Posted by J.A. Watson

I received my new HP 2133 Mini-Note (netbook, if you want to call it that) Friday afternoon. Since then I have been learning, testing, loading, reloading and generally playing around. I like it. A lot. I paid just under 500 Swiss Francs for it - there was just a dramatic price cut on the 2133 here in Switzerland. The promotion I got was from a distributor who essentially cut the price in half, which was one of the things that prompted me to order it; since then, I have heard from another distributor, who cut their price even a bit lower (isn't that the way it always is?). Of course, the 2133 is one of the "older" of the netbook generation, so you need to be aware of what you are buying.

First, here's the highlights of the hardware configuration that I got. The 2133 has a VIA C-7M ULV processor, mine has the 1.6GHz version; it has 2 GB of RAM, and a 120 GB 5400 rpm SATA disk drive. It has an 8.9" display with 1280x768 resolution, and a VIA Chrome 9 display adapter. Perhaps the single nicest thing about it, considering that it is in the "netbook" category, is the keyboard - according to HP it is 92% the size of a "normal" keyboard, and it is quite nice to use. It is the first of the netbooks I have seen whose keyboard doesn't remind me of the IBM PC Jr. (yes, I'm that old). It has a Broadcom Gigabit (!) wired network adapter, a Broadcom B/G Wireless network adapter, and an HP Bluetooth adapter. It has an ADI HD audio codec and stereo speakers, and an integrated VGA webcam. External connections include two USB 2.0 ports, RJ-45 ethernet, VGA monitor (this is really good for those who might want/need to connect to a beamer), mic in and headphone out, Express Card/54 slot, and an SD flash card slot. Oh, and a 6-cell Li-Ion battery pack.

Whew! That's a lot of computer for 500 francs! Please be aware that a lot of that hardware is optional or upgraded in speed or capacity, so if you consider buying one, check the specifications carefully.

Now, the software. I am going to discuss only Windows in this post, as that is what I ordered on it. I will write again in the near future about adventures with Linux on it. Mine came with Windows Vista Business preloaded, and the CDs for a "downgrade" to XP Professional. I did not try to buy it with Linux (SuSE) preloaded, I will be trying various Linux distributions on my own next week.

When I first started and configured the 2133, with it running the preloaded Vista Business, I was afraid that I had made a bad decision. It was literally staggering under the load of Vista. It took many minutes to boot up, and it was ridiculously sluggish when it was finally "ready to use". I was determined to stick with it, and give it a fair chance, but when I tried to set up the wireless networking, it couldn't connect to my Linksys router - the same symptom that I have had with my Lifebook S6510 when it was running Vista. I am not about to waste another bunch of days trying to figure that out, so at that point I decided to simply dump Vista and go with the "downgrade" to XP Professional.

HP has taken the "recovery partition" route for the Vista installation, so rather than including Vista recovery CD/DVD media, they have an image of the original Vista installation in a second partition on the hard drive; for the XP Professional "downgrade", they include CDs. If you choose to install XP, and you think that you might some day want to go back to Vista, you have to make a CD or DVD copy of the Vista recovery partition first. I'm sure there are instructions on the HP web page, or perhaps in the online manuals, as to how to do that, but as far as I am concerned this computer will NEVER be capable of running Vista, so I didn't bother to do it.

The 2133 doesn't have a CD/DVD drive (duh, it's a netbook), so you have to use an external USB drive to load XP. You press F9 while booting to get the boot device menu, but be careful, the USB port only shows up in the list if something is connected to it, so don't get confused (like I did) if you try it the first time just to see what comes up in the list, and USB isn't there. I'll also be making a bootable USB thumb drive later this week, and checking to see if the 2133 will boot from it as well. I assume it will.

Installing XP from the Operating System CD is pretty much the same as it is on any other system. The only small quirk is that you will see the original installation has the Vista partition covering most of the disk, and then a 9 GB partition named "HP_RECOVERY" at the end. The simple thing to do is just install XP over the Vista partition. I seldom do things the "simple" way, and I have bigger plans for multi-booting Windows and Linux, so I deleted both of those partitions and created a new 20 GB partition for XP, leaving the rest of the disk unallocated for Linux use later. After installing XP there was still 13.5 GB free in that partition, so it is plenty big enough.

After the basic XP installation is finished, you have to switch to the Application and Driver Recovery DVD to load drivers for a lot of the hardware - display, both network interfaces, and so on, and to get XP SP2 installed. It autoruns an installation menu, and I just let it load all of the "Hardware Enabling Drivers". Do NOT try to respond to any of the "Found New Hardware" windows that pop up as it does its work; it will run all the way through and install everything without any interaction. Once that is done, and you have rebooted, you can do the same for the "Recommended Software Applications". I chose not to install any of the "Optional Software Applications", but you might choose differently.

Finally, you need to go to Windows Update and pick up all the latest security patches and whatever other updates you want. I let it install all of the "High Priority" patches, including updating to SP3, and it all went very smoothly.

Whew. Sorry this is getting so long...

Once the installation is complete, there are a couple of small steps that you need to take to finish the setup. First, check that the screen resolution has been set to 1280x768. I think the VIA driver might do this automatically, but I actually changed it before installing the HP driver DVD, because the default resolution (I think it was 800x600) was too ugly to look at. You can check/change it by right-clicking on the desktop background, choose "Properties", and then in the Display Properties window choose "Settings". Once you change the resolution, though, you will see that everything looks nearly microscopic (at least it does to my old eyes). You can adjust this by clicking "Advanced" (still in the Display Properties / Settings window), and then change the DPI setting from the default of 96 to 120. You can even put in a "custom" value higher than that; if my quick calculations are correct, at 1280x768 it actually is about 160 DPI, but I find it usable when set at 120.

At this point the 2133 is basically ready to use. The display is gorgeous, bright and crisp. The keyboard is good, the touchpad is a bit shallow and the buttons are on either side, rather than below or above it, but that's the kind of choice you have to make to reduce the size of the system. The stereo speakers are integrated in the lid, on either side of the display, which puts them in a very good position to hear the sound, and the microphones are likewise in the lid, which is a good position to pick up your voice. The ExpressCard and SD slots have covers, rather than being left open to collect whatever dust and garbage they might, as they are in a lot of other laptops. Oh, and for those who hate touchpads, or simply find that their thumbs are constantly moving the mouse pointer or hitting the mouse buttons as they type, there is a "touchpad disable" button between the space bar and the touchpad. Very considerate.

There are two big differences between the 2133 as I have it running now, with XP Professional, and as it was when it came out of the box, with Vista Business. First, it is actually pleasant to use, it responds and loads programs quickly, whereas with Vista it stumbled along, and you could practically hear it groaning under the load while you were waiting for the latest mouse click to register, or a program to load. Second, and equally importantly for me, it connects to my Linksys router with no problem at all, rather than whining about a "Limited Connection", where "Limited" is to be interpreted as "Useless".

jw 25/1/2009

Comments on this post

Moley

Lenovo S10e, Windows XP, Ubuntu and Windows 7 Beta

Jamie,

I just bought a Lenovo S10e netbook at a substantially reduced price. It's solidly built in the Lenovo tradtion with a nice keyboard. Similarly specified to your Hp 2133 except, of course, the more usual Intel Atom 1.6 processor and chipsets, and a 10 inch screen. There is also an Express Card slot (no cover!) but only 2 USB connections whereas I prefer 3. one each for a mouse, external DVD and an external drive for creating backup images in order to recover quickly from any disaster or change of mind. Only 1 Gb of Ram installed although it is straight forward to upgrade.

The computer came with XP Home pre-installed and a recovery partition. I have to say that it all runs very nicely and the screen is a treat. Compares very favouably for performance with my much higher specified laptop.

I installed the Netbook version of Ubuntu using Wubi. Again this runs very nicely but I am not sure that I like the dumbed down Netbook desktop. However, it has not installed the drivers for the Broadcom Wireless Internet Adapter. Any advice as to how to deal with this, anyone?

Subsequently, I partitioned the hard drive to provide a 22.5Mb partition for Widows 7 Beta and, though I felt some initial anxiety, the installation proceeded surprisingly quickly and even recognised the Ubuntu Wubi installation which I had not expected. All in all, Windows 7 Beta is quite a surprise and quick, pleasant to use, in total contrast to Windows Vista which I still dislike. I expect that I shall continue to use the Window 7 Beta. Oddly enough, Windows Mail is not included. Of course, the Windows 7 Beta is not yet feature complete so one really hopes that MS will not screw up and slow things down when it is feature complete.

In conclusion, I am both surprised and pleased, so far, with the Netbook and Window 7 Beta. However, I suspect the third party security programmes may have to play catchup again.

Updated by Moley on Jan 26, 2009 4:51 PM

J.A. Watson

Hi Moley, Thanks for reading and commenting, as always, and thanks for the excellent information. I agree with your statement about Lenovo notebooks being well built, several people in my office used to have them when they were IBM ThinkPads (we used to call them ThinkTanks, for good reason).

The HP also has a Broadcom wireless adapter, and that has been a problem with the various Linux distributions I have tried on it so far. MEPIS 8.0 RC1 recognized and configured it with no problem, and I found a description on the Internet of how to download and install the drivers for it on openSuSE 11.1. However, as it appears that it might be a "common" choice for a wireless adapter in netbooks, since it is in yours and mine, I would guess that support for it will become increasingly common in upcoming Linux releases.

What kind of display adapter does your Lenovo have, and how was it handled by Ubuntu? The HP has a VIA Chrome9 adapter, and that is turning out to be the biggest problem with most of the Linux distributions I have tried so far. Some will handle it as a FrameBuffer device, and some as a VESA device, but none yet have the device-specific driver from VIA included.

Interesting to hear that Windows 7 works so much better on it. Perhaps MS really will be better this time around. Honestly, after seeing how this poor HP struggled with Vista, and how well it works with XP Professional, my enthusiasm for trying Win7 is very low at the moment, but perhaps that will change - especially if I am not able to assemble all of the necessary drivers to get it working properly with Linux.

Thanks again.

jw 26/1/2009

Posted by J.A. Watson on Jan 26, 2009 5:08 PM

Moley

Hi Jamie, I been reading up about Broadcom Wireless and it all appears to be quite fraught, but not impossible, with too many choices according to which Broadcom chipset and which kernel.

Regarding the display adapter, it is the Intel 945 which is slightly outdated. I don't think it will handle the 3-D stuff, it appears to be disabled in Ubuntu, but Aero is OK in Windows 7 Beta. No problem with the installation in Ubuntu, right first time as is usual for me.

It is worth giving Window 7 Beta a try, even just for the fun of it. I did find it a bit of a surprise having taken the published comments about the improvements with a large pinch of salt. Everything is working but there is an unidentified item in Device manager which I haven't sussed out yet. Perhaps I'll just have to live with it as there are only XP drivers available on the Lenovo site for the S10e

Updated by Moley on Jan 27, 2009 8:55 AM

J.A. Watson

Moley - Very interesting, thanks. By the way, the Intel 945 was at the heart of the "Vista Capable / Vista Ready" debacle between Intel and Microsoft. It's interesting to hear that it is able to handle the Aero interface in Win7. I wonder if that means they have improved the efficiency of Aero, or if the smaller size and lower resolution of the netbook screen just makes it a bit easier to run?

Posted by J.A. Watson on Jan 27, 2009 7:58 AM

Moley

Jamie - There is a (cynical) suggestion that, if Windows 7 will run on the controversial "Vista Capable / Vista Ready" computers, this will provide a resolution to the hole in which Microsoft and others find themselves in, since they can then offer a copy of Windows 7 as compensation. Meantime, the 3-D effects (in show desktop) are absent in Windows 7, but the Glass effects are working well for me.

Posted by Moley on Jan 27, 2009 7:16 PM

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