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Friday 12 June 2009, 8:32 AM

Moblin on the Nettop - Part 2 (Overview)

Posted by J.A. Watson

After a whole two days, here are a few first impressions of Moblin on my nettop Dual Atom system:

- First, remember, this is a Beta distribution, and you will be made aware of that very quickly. Quite a few things don't work yet, they just pop up a "not yet implemented" or "coming soon" window when you try to select them.

- They're using an unusual syntax in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file (vga=current). This is absolutely not a problem for 99% of those who use it, because as long as you are only booting Moblin, it's fine. If you try to set it up in a multi-boot system, and you actually boot a GRUB from some distribution other than Moblin, it is likely to choke on that syntax when you try to boot Moblin. Not a big deal, but worth mentioning for those who might find themselves in that situation, and then wonder why it won't boot

- I don't see any significant problem with the nettop screen being much larger than Moblin typically expects to find on a netbook. The screen I am using is 1280x1024, and it looks just fine to me - wallpaper fills the background as it should, fonts are appropriate size and readable, menu bars span the screen as they should, and such.

- The menu bar across the top of the screen auto-hides by default. I love it. There may be others that do this by default, but I haven't come across them yet. I'm so tired of having to activate this every time I load a new distribution.

- There are a few specific places where you really see that Moblin is being designed with netbooks and other "typcial" mobile devices in mind. One good example is that there is no "Shutdown/Suspend/Reboot" button that I can find. As near as I can tell, they expect you to simply press the power button, and that then causes a normal, orderly shutdown. Well, what the heck, it makes as much sense as having to push a button that says "Start" in order to stop... However, if what you really want to do is suspend, reboot or logout, you're either out of luck, or you have to know how to use the shutdown command in a terminal window.

- Another similar point - I don't see any obvious way to set up multiple user accounts, and have Moblin boot to a login window, nor do I see a way to logout and return to a login window rather than just shutting down. I'm still hoping that I have just overlooked this...

- One more place where the assumed target system is obvious - most things come up very "large", either full screen or nearly so, which I assume is because they are targeting small screens. This is not really a "problem" when you have a large screen, but it is surprising. Also, I don't see "minimize/maximize/restore" buttons on the window title bars, so you either have to use the "View" menu option, if there is one, or you are stuck with everything full screen. I think that I recall UNR working somewhat like this too, so maybe this is the "accepted wisdom" when designing for netbooks?

- The standard web browser is Google Chrome, and I really don't like that - both because of the look and feel of it, and because I really, really don't like for it to be running background processes which are constantly telling Google about what web pages I am visiting. (Warning: I tried one of the early releases of Chrome on Windows and it was doing this - I haven't tried it since, so it might actually not be doing so any more, but I haven't heard of any changes, and I strongly suspect that it is.)

- Small irritant: when I click on "Internet", it brings up an address bar and a note that says "Type an address or load the browser to see your tabs here". Uh, ok, how do I "load a browser" at this point? The only way I have found is to type an anddress, but if I have all of the addresses I want stored in the browser...

- Is there a mail client lurking in there somewhere? I have seen Twitter, IM, RSA feeds and the like, but I haven't found any kind of an email client yet...

There is a lot more to see, do and discover. I will say once again, working with Moblin is a very different world than working with any of the typical Linux distributions. The more that I look at it, the more I think that it might well be very good for users who just want to switch on the device, whatever it is, and use it without having to worry about a lot of setup, administration, configuration and such. Maybe. But it's going to have to get out of Beta, and get all of those "coming soon" or "not yet implemented" thinkgs working before it will be possible to try it on some ordinary users to see how it goes.

jw 12/6/2009

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ator1940

I have only ran the live CD of Moblin ver 2, and was impressed by the speed. I ran it on an HP 1115NR, Atom processor, 16 gig SSD. Built in web cam works, sound works, WIFI works, but I had to go to the command line to reboot, or shut down. The root PW is moblin. I'm sure things will get better as people get used to the different interface. Can't wait to get my hands on the final version, and install it.

Posted by ator1940 on Jun 12, 2009 5:10 PM

knakworst

I have bought a second-handed Asus 1000H and I have tested the live image yesterday on the Asus (the new beta refresh edition posted last week on the moblin website). Within one minute everything just works. Everything is for me too limited though. I am missing a mail client, office, I can't figure out how to install google earth and openoffice. So now I am using Ubuntu Netbook Remix and it just works like normal ubuntu. I will try newer versions in the future, because all in all it looks very promising, especially for people not bothering about command lines etc.

One correction: I read some info on the moblin webiste. The browser is based on the gecko-engine, so it is not google chrome:

Moblin, short for mobile Linux, is an open source project focused on developing software for Mobile Internet Devices (MIDs) and other new categories of devices such as netbooks and nettops.[1] Intel launched the Moblin.org site in July 2007 and significantly updated the site in April 2008 with the launch of the Intel Atom processor family at the Intel Developer Forum in Shanghai. A custom SDK is also available on the site. The Moblin 2 OS was specifically designed to run on an Intel Atom processor in a netbook[2]. In April 2009 Intel turned Moblin over to the Linux Foundation.[3][4] Shortly afterwards, a Foxconn netbook[5] and an InvenTech smartphone[6] were announced at Computex 2009. Acer then announced the replacement of Linpus Linux with Moblin on their Acer Aspire netbooks.[7][8]

At the Linux Collaboration Summit in April 2009, Intel demonstrated that the Moblin 2 alpha release can load major components of the stack, including the graphics system, and start up in mere seconds.[9] A few weeks later, Novell announced their own rebranded edition of the distribution.[10] On May 19th 2009, Imad Sousou of Intel announced on behalf of the Moblin steering committee the release of Moblin v2.0 beta for Netbooks and Nettops for developer testing. [11] This second major release marked a shift from the XFCE desktop environment to a custom built UI based on OpenedHand's Clutter, a key piece of the Maemo and Sugar graphical environments, built around the standard Xorg X-Windows server. The new UI also includes an integrated Gecko engine web browser.[12]

Updated by knakworst on Jun 17, 2009 8:12 AM

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